Robert, When it came to RV suspension and ride upgrades, lets just say we were skeptical. Basically, for 0$, you can fix the front end in about 30 minutes yourself if you’re handy. I just wanted to say thanks for your helpful information and videos. I guess I need to try google….. It’s very interesting & helpful ! The coach was much more drivable and more stable going down the road. you won’t be sorry. On an F53 chassis the front sway bar has two sets of holes in it. I saw one that you had done a good while back. While out west we stopped at Coburg for factory work. Adjusting the slides, buttons and lights, etc. The test Class C recently had Roadmaster anti-sway bars installed, so brackets and bushings were still new. In Sep. we had an alignment done and it improved measurably although I still feel the sway when I am driving. Cannot wait to see what you do with gas engine noise in the ford chasis with v10 engine, The stabilizers ABSOLUTELY helped, it’s like night and day. Peace out! We added Safe-T-Steer stabilizer. Roadmaster says the vin keeps coming back as an F550 chassis not an F53. I am glad that Fleetwood is stepping up with the insulation kit for the Bounder. Yes, in the spring. Many users report an improvement in ride harshness in addition to the handling upgrade. Awesome update on the Gas RV ride, thanks again! Thanks for the great Blog. I experienced exactly what you have been complaining about. Not an easy install for the shade tree mechanic though. Your real life experience video is what has convinced me to have the ROADMASTER rear sway bar added to my 2 month old Fleetwood Flair 29M. That’s great to hear Kerry and thanks for coming back to share your experience! (Class C owner here.). First trip out I thought it rocked and rolled more than it should.Don’t ask me how but I came upon your blog and watched your video.I have done some research and thing the sway bars will help. It has several roadmaster dealers in your area. Happy to help and sorry for the extra expenses I do feel the RSSA has helped quite a bit, but I’d say go for the Rear Sway bar first and see what happens from there! I’m excited for you. Supposedly the gas-charged Bilsteins offer much more initial resistance when compressed than the hydraulic Konis which are stiff in rebound but softer in compression. I came across your Roadmaster YouTube visit. Yes, I asked the tech about Workhorse and he said there are things that are better with the GM chassis vs. the Ford, but it too can benefit greatly with some of the same upgrades. However as far as improving the ride, the bumps etc. I am short and can barely reach items on the top shelf. Thank you for being You Guys~love the time laps…wish some of our RV moments had that! I’m sorry to say, that theirs no magical solution to make a gas motor home ride and drive like a diesel motor home, not to mention the lack of noise in the diesel too. I think everyone is on the same page. Safe travels. Will probably try CHF first since it costs nothing and should stiffen the sway bars. Installed the RM-1139-147 Rear Sway Bar, RM-1139-176 Front Sway Bar and RM-RBK24-RSSC Reflex Steering Stabilizer for Class C Motorhomes. Nikki and Jason, How’s upstate NY sound? Incredible! You might check with North Texas RV in Denton. I too would have choosen diesel but the price difference had me surprised. Solution? Going into the curves on the road no longer gave the feeling of being overly top heavy and the ride, although long and tiring, went just fine. You won’t be disappointed. A rear trac bar reduces rear axle side-to-side play, which translates into predictable handling and precise steering. don’t do this at their factory. And ours did wear out since replacement with the Safe T Plus made a huge difference. When our Gas RV Experience – Noise, Ride & Performance video went live, many of you fellow Gas RV owners piped up in the comments and said your suspension upgrades made all the difference in the world. We had so many questions on these RV stabilizing products we thought we may as well make a video and do our best to share our experiences along with the answers we found. I spent several days researching suspension upgrades on the forums. The steering stabilizer helps keep the coach straight and may safe your life in a high speed front blowout as it will make it much easier to hold the coach straight when slowing down. I liked how it told you about the traffic delay. I have am really anxious to install some sway bars on our Ford chassis gas RV, and after reading and watching your experience, now more than ever. Air tools will make this a much easier install. The Roadmaster anti-sway bars … The trip up included Interstates, narrow mountain roads and severe weather. My dog house has carpet over and around the driver and passenger area and that reduces noise greatly I am sure. Recommended to you based on your activity and what's popular • Feedback Dennis, thanks for the info! Thanks, I have a 2020 Alante 26X that I installed, front and rear road Master sway bars. We had the windshield fixed in Whitehorse (will hold off on replacement) and tire repaired in Alaska. Forum – We tossed around the idea of a forum but decided against it a few years back. This type of steel is considerably harder and stronger than the standard 1020 steel that is typically used in anti-sway applications. Y’all are so cute together! The solution to sway is in the suspension. I am going to Alaska next year with my Monaco pusher that does not have a rattle in it right now and am afraid the trip is going to beat it up. Thanks for this. TheBrightWayRVrs. You travel and shoot – someone else puts it all together. Now our Bounder drives a lot more like our Excursion did. Thanks Jason! But the Safe T Plus failed to impress only because it was installed backwards. We have a 2014 Tiffin Allegro 36LA which has a similar layout to your Bounder (other than the bathroom). So is this an alternative to the Wynn’s upgrades? Patrick, And the other stuff really interesting. And we agree with you. The Roadmaster failed at 50,000 mile and literally grenaded on the road. We have a 29′ Newmar Bay Star with the same 22k lb chassis that your Fleetwood has so I’d be curious about the difference between aftermarket sway bars and simply making adjustments to the current sway bars via the “fix”. Great information on the suspension upgrades. While I did not end up going with Roadmaster, the results after my DIY install were the same…much more relaxing and safer to drive. Definitely a major improvement. Thanks again for all the great videos! THIS sounds like the answer. Our Christmas trip is going to be a brand new experience for us. We saved quite a bit on the labor, as he was able to do it all with a little help from Youtube and a neighbor who helped hold up the weight. Drinks on me at my “health club!” We have the same chassis and I’m looking forward to finding a truck shop along our route to Florida to get the sway bars and stabilizers installed so that we can better enjoy the ride. Ford makes stock chassis and sells them to the RV mfgrs. Make sure you leave yourself enough time to track down parts in case you run into issues like I did. : Your wife is hot, more shots of her on the sailboat in a bikini would be nice. If I can improve the ride just a little more then maybe I will stop looking at other coaches. Sure, I dream about having a new DP but I know I can’t afford to maintain one, much less buy one! The product knowledge of the outfit I bought it from is really poor since the Alante’s are so new. We installed 4 new Koni shocks. In general it has nothing to do with the RV mfr, they are not allowed to remove the factory sway bar as it will alter the chassis and thus the warranty. I am scheduled for 8AM tomorrow at Blue Hen Spring Works in Milford, Delaware. The last mod was the installation of Sumo Springs up front. SuperSteer rear trac-bar All these help the handling. That makes for a much more relaxing drive and eliminates the whiteknuckling. Maybe I will do it now since I am thinking about it. I guess I’m confused and now concerned, it sounds like this sway issue happens only to gas coaches – so am I the only one with a diesel and sway problems???? I think I’ll start with the rear sway bar and go from there. We had to buy a big socket to tighten it and a good friend and long time trucker said to re-torque it after 50 miles. You are worth the expense of doing these updates. Thanks for the reply. We bought our 33 ft coach used and the previous owner had installed a Roadmaster. Took a trip the next day and the coach’s ride was FANTASTIC and GREATLY improved. I asked the installer and the mfr. If you simply move the links from the outward set of holes to the inward set of holes (any handy person with some basic tools can do this), you reduce the lever distance, and thereby increase the function of the sway-bar. Very happy with the tuner and cant wait to feel the stability mods. They fit them with two sway bars already, why not give us what we need to have a good ride instead of having to upgrade? Having the RV on a lift would make it easier to get leverage on the bolts. One popular yet effective fix for excessive steering play on a Class C motorhome based on a Ford E series chassis is to install heavy duty anti-sway bars. Our 2018 Jayco Class A Alante is now a team to handle for its lifetime. Was your rear tire repaired in Alaska and your windshield replaced in lower 48? We really do not notice dog house noise much at all. If you have the same chassis there’s a good chance you can install everything yourself in less than a day with little more than a screw gun, ratchet set and some wrenches. We installed the Safe T Plus ourselves after Camping World put it on backwards. But that said, when we got our used coach we hated how it wandered all over the road. diane, They’re just plastic so they’re not sharp . Learned a lot from this video. Tracy we will continue to report as we test. The F53 chassis still rolled with the punches and was pushed around by passing vehicles. For those that want their motorhome to handle more like a car, get both.”. Have fun, stay safe (you dont mention anything about safety precautions on your videos) and I hope you can keep on doing what you are doing for as long as you can. I did this on a 2014 Thor Outlaw an it made a world of difference. You should check out our diesel models! Safe travels. I test drove a 2017 Bounder ane was so disappointed the swaying i stopped the test ride made a coment just how bad the suspension was . I so enjoy your video’s. We had to add a steering stabilizer bar and now it is very loud. We use the Rand McNally RV GPS (also labeled as “Good Sam”), you can find it in our travel store under the “RV Gear” tab: https://www.gonewiththewynns.com/store The only reason I haven’t done this yet is that I don’t think of it unless I am driving the motorhome. Thanks again for bending Fleetwood’s ear towards their actual consumers. I don’t know what Tiffin was thinking when they decided to put the furnace under the refrigerator in the 36LA. I really do want my next rv to have a rear unit in the bedroom. I have found the noise level, shifting, etc is dependent on how I drive it! I’ve been fighting my Ford 53 chassis now for many, many months and, NOW, convinced, thank you Nikki, that I’m truly not going bonkers. Figures. Night-and-day difference in handling. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. Definitely need a fairly long breaker bar for the really tight bolts- and getting them good and tight when put back on. The front replacement stabilizer and steering stabilizer should not be a big deal. None of that white knuckle stuff! There are some motorhomes that actually use the cab of the 550 truck and then build out the RV behind the cab from there. I’m quite pleased with the gas coach vs the previous diesel. Installed them myself with the help of a friend. If you are close to Grants Pass, OR stop by Henderson Lineup as I know they offer the same solution. Many people claim a noticeable difference in the level of harshness after replacing the Bilsteins with the Konis. I thought that was just the way it was. Thanks so much Ted, we’ll take this into consideration when researching the engine upgrades. Regarding upgrades, kinda makes you wonder why they do not build the improvements in the first place? I have the same chassis on my Winnebago Adventurer and have hit information overload trying to compare all the companies that manufacture these suspension and ride upgrades. Got any tricks of your own that we didn’t touch on? Check with your chassis manufacturer for exact specifications. We chose Roadmaster because it was convenient and we’ve been happy with our other purchases from them. Overall the bedroom A/C works fine as the rear unit blower is to all the rear vents. If you read forums on both IRV2 and Family Motor Coach sites, there are few if any regrets about spending $415 for the tune. Reducing Sway. Thanks. Stopped the sway instantly. All of our issues, at the time, were taken care in a timely fashion except for the replacement of a door and that’s what took so darn long. Sway Bars & Bushings; Koni Shocks; Safe-T-Plus Steering Control; Trac Bars… Thanks for all the great insights you provide with your site and videos. We highly recommend this upgrade. I also had the caster set at +5 degrees. They come set on the softest setting, to make the change is literally just moving the bolt and link to the hole closer to the main bar. Here’s my understanding based on the manufacturer’s notes and from our driving experience: Of course it varies depending on the model year and chassis, but our total shop time for all 3 products was 3.5 hours (even though our tech completed it more quickly this is the going rate and should be approximately what to expect at most service centers). The difference is that sway bars only reduce side to side sway. Front and rear sumo springs, We do have plans to create that video. As full-timers like you, improved driving performance is a high priority – the swaying can be very unsettling at times, especially on windy days, and it would be worth installing an upgrade to enhance our feeling of comfort and safety, while still being substantially less than the cost of a diesel! It’s such an awesome feeling isn’t it? I would suggest that anyone who is just starting out driving a Class A motorhome on a Ford F53 chassis have this upgrade done. Price: $891.98 Sale Price: $694.03 . The Cat on the counter top or dash so wonderful! So when are you getting another diesel? Hope this helps some. Not sure what would have caused your sway bar to fly out the back, maybe an improper install, but I watched the installer take the factory bar off and place the new bar on and I’m confident in the solution. Maybe Tiffin uses the space for sound insulation? Hopefully through efforts such as yours and others (like Technomadia) we can count on the industry FINALLY opening their eyes and figuring out that adding a few thousand bucks cost for better components will pay off with more people being happy with their purchase and encouraging more people to go RV’ing. My Roadtrek mileage is 17mpg. I have a Class C. It’s a 2012 Winnebago Access 31C. We have almost an identical male 1yr 2mo new. I’ve been fight this thing for 2 years….almost to the point of giving up and trading it in. I just got a Hellwig 7718 sway bar for my Ford 450 MH. The 2 trips I have driven have only been for about 170 miles each way and I am truly exhausted when I stop. It made the coach nearly impossible to steer! No one or any other vehicle was damaged but it was horrific seeing that bright yellow spring disappear in the rear view camera…and the sound of the remain half scraping the pavement the rest of the way home was disconcerting at best. We love the L-shaped sofa and the TV fireplace combination right in from of the sofa. OMG what a difference! Thank you so much….I always wondered why our gaser didn’t drive like a diesel…now we know!! I ordered the sway bars and installed them myself. The improvements are as dramatic as others have stated. My first posting of this came across wrong let’s try again, I have a 2015 Coachmen 36′ and it has the V10 Ford motor as well. Congrats on the new RV, hope you enjoy it. Still a white-knuckle experience. As a future RV’er my biggest worry is buying a lemon, which it seems up to now is pretty much 100% of all RV’s. The best $400 we have probably spent on the RV. Ford Motorhome Sway Bars by Hellwig and Addco designed to secure your truck when carrying heavy loads through sharp turns. I was looking to purchase a new 2015 Fleetwood Discovery 40X that was on sale for $189,000. Safe Travels, I don’t know why the RV Mfg. I have a 2015 Newmar 3401 Bay Star and at times she drives like a beast. I have tried several front-end soltiins, but perhaps a rear sway bar… It is a Dodge and Dodge products wander. An RSS anti-sway bar… We were there for 5 weeks! I asked the installer his opinions and he said the shocks aren’t the problem with the ride, the problem is mostly the sway which they’ve fixed with the anti-sway stabilizers. … Thanks for the update. It took everything I had to keep it on the road and I have driven many types of big trucks in the Army. Both stock and custom anti-sway bars are designed as a link between the suspension and the frame, and both use the weight of the axle as a brace against the chassis, so that pressure to one side of the motorhome (by weight shift, wind, or passing trucks) is countered by the bar. Your email address will not be published. If you want to maximize sway control the front makes up the remaining 35% or so. Great article. We started full-timing a few months ago and are loving it. I can get great acceleration by just driving the Coachmen a little gentler! We have a rear A/C and it is a MUST for any RV over 30′ if you plan to travel in areas where temps reach 85+ degrees. $46.00 $ 46. Thank you. Hey Nikki…nice to see you behind the wheel. Yeah! An RV/Gadget type video. This is what we’re told: in comparison to the auto market the RV chassis sales are like a tiny drop of water in the ocean! Niki drives that rig “Like a BOSS!” Invite still stands if you hit Chicago anytime soon! Safe travels and Merry Christmas. My husband has complained about the drive of our class A gas since we got it last year. Roadmaster vs. Hellwig Sway Bars for E450 Class C - Page 2 - iRV2 … The ride is much improved, very stable, much more enjoyable for the driver and passengers. It’s truly sad that an outfit like Camping World cannot install something properly. I used a Ryobi cordless from Home Depot and it was perfect for the job. My contact at Fleetwood confirmed the Bounder is on the F-53 chassis. Our small Class C motorhome rocked and rolled at every turn including pulling out of every driveway or parking lot. I did a trip in late Aug into Sept, I really didn’t notice a real issue with the master bedroom NOT cooling. Thanks! We may wait an extra bit of time for the 2017s just to see what improvements there are. If you’re heading south then wait till you get to Oregon and order there, you’ll save sales tax and if you’re an Amazon Prime member you can get free shipping too! The cost of these 4 products from the Roadmaster factory is: $2,102.70 including sales tax. We are looking at upgrading in the next year, and I think we would do those upgrades immediately if it wouldn’t void any warranty. Let him recommend a set of these. After install all passes are now rock solid, straight and we barely notice. So thanks! The other thing I added were Sumo Maxim springs on the front, it is a polymer spring that mounts between the leaf spring/axle and the frame p. It attaches top and bottom and replaces the factory bump stop that comes from factory. Bottom line is that we can now full time in it very comfortably when the time comes. Thanks Tab, With a brand new rig with new shocks, new springs and a Bilstein steering stabilizer from the Fleetwood factory….My fingers are crossed that most of my sway problem will be solved with adding the ROADMASTER rear bar. While we were at Winnebago ( a story in itself) several of the other people we met almost had us convinced to buy a diesel for the ride. Again, thanks for very informative (and entertaining) videos! Although we have a much older and Chevy chassis, we are definitely going to use your info to see if it can work for us! If you haven’t done the upgrades, you know what I’m talking about. Have they finished the Dog House insulation package yet? I’m beginning to think these Bounders are not on F53 chassis, they are on a F550 chassis. Ah yes, we like that little guy as well. We are in Maryland and do alot of weekend trips to VA, PA and Delaware which involve alot of crowded highway driving and alot of inclines. As Brett said Henderson should have associates in this area that can help. You are correct about the difference in the bouncing of the front end. We have not yet cataloged this product for fitment or … If a tow bar tows your car, you’re satisfied. Class A – We have never considered anything else as we feel it’s the best for our type of travel. I would say…I’m the only driver…”Don’t you feel that?”….I mean what is wrong with this picture. I was wondering, however, if making these upgrades on a new rv would affect the motorhome warranty in any way? I run a number of them and have contacts that run some of the largest RV forums. When I talked to the folks at RoadMaster, I let them know I saw the info on your blog hoping to get you some more press. A Hellwig 7008 Front Sway Bar Installation on a 2004 Ford E-450 Class C RV Sounds like a neat trick! Have you changed your systems in your new RV? We arrived on a Sunday, installed on Monday and they let us stay for an extra day to explore Portland, so if you consider the nearby parks are $40/night it’s like we got 3 nights for free, that’s a $120 discount…at least that’s the way I like to look at it. It like Air Bags for Gas RVs! I have found both Roadmaster and Hellwig get great reviews and … Prior to purchasing, the test drive demonstrated some sway and self-determined steering. Don’t know if that would make as much difference for your rig, but the reason we took a chance and made the switch is because everything we read was that Bilsteins don’t hold a candle to Konis. Can you please run your VIN to clarify what chassis you have? I’m sure it’d greatly benefit from these upgrades…the main concern is weight though so make sure you understand the OCCC. Well worth the purchase. You can purchase these or if you like to tinker and have some access to mainly a mill you can make your own for around $60. The act of simply replacing the bushings was nothing short of a miracle when it came to handling. And I have to say I am amazed that RV mfrs. Thanks. Thanks for the info, I do appreciate it. Comments like this make us smile ear to ear, safe travels and happy holidays! I will admit your perkiness is pleasant and maybe some will rub off on me. After nearly 14,000 miles I am still planning a few upgrades to the running gear. I strongly concur that this is money well spent. My hubby returned to our RV Dealer about 8 weeks after our purchase to have them fix and tweak minor problems we noticed on our two initial trips out. Install with no major issues…you’re a better installer than I. You two are the best! they won’t help much, which is obvious from listening to your video as you drive. I have a Tiffin Allegro 2005 Motorhome and it is loosy-goosy and I am investing in purchasing these items. At least you took the 205 around Portland instead of going through the heart of town. about installing only one of the sway bars (instead of both) and this is their response “Each part is available separately. Got addicted and stayed up one night and watched 10 plus in row. Hi Deborah, The diesel they are talking about is a diesel pusher motorhome. If there is an external spring, that may be the culprit. I ran my own VIN on the internet and it came back as an F550 chassis. Sure enough I can confirm this happened to ours. I bought my current diesel a year ago. Hood and one of our favorite towns of Hood River just up the gorge…oh well, I realized after the video went live and once that happens there’s no going back. We don’t notice any squeaking or rattles in the dash. As you know, there’s nothing like a diesel pusher, although there are some diesel chassis’s that ride bad too. Cheers and we’ll certainly use your Amazon link if we decided to get anything! I think owners of gas RV’s would be much happier with their purchase if the Ford chassis had a more stable ride to begin with. We are jealous yet again with all your new toys. ... Hellwig sway bar reduces body roll so you benefit from better vehicle control … Often, for just a few thousand dollars, you can upgrade from a 22,000 lbs chassis to a 24,000 lb chassis, or go from a 24,000 to a 26,000. Our speed was 65-70 headed home. I noticed that the Bounder has a taller doghouse than our Tiffin. I watched the mechanic remove the old U bolts and install the new heavier duty longer ones with the new bushings and drove it back to my storage facility without giving it a second thought, a four lane straight road with minimal traffic. Well worth the $$. 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